I am trying to determine why a Wayspot nomination for a large, permanent piece of art in a public location was rejected. I feel like this must be an error and would appreciate feedback. Thank you.
Reason for rejection = This submission was declined by Niantic’s automated process for not adhering to Wayfarer criteria
Name = Neon Lights Chandelier Sculpture Description = Large abstract neon light chandelier hanging from the lobby ceiling titled ”Neon Forms” by Cerith Wyn Evans Supplemental Info = Large Neon Chandelier approximately 10 feet tall illuminating the lobby and surrounding circular staircases and escalator that is accessible to the public in Brookfield Place Location = (40.714157, -74.015907) 230 Vesey Street, New York, NY 10080
Note this is a known piece of artwork that can be searched for online, and it has a dedicated webpage here:
It is featured in the location’s promotional book speaking about it’s artwork titled “Artwalk at Brookfield Place”. It is listed in the table of contents on page 3 and featured with a photo on pages 20-21.
We don’t (and shouldn’t) know exactly what the ML model looks for on these automated rejections. There probably have not been many similar submissions to train it on.
I think I would either resubmit this nomination with a different photo, or appeal if that is not easily done. Since we have 2 appeals, each on a 15 day timer before we can use it again, I usually try to resubmit first. I would recommend not getting as close on the sculpture for the main photo, and leave a little more context around it. Maybe something like this:
That is interesting, but the random squiggliness of it is likely throwing the AI off. It might look like graffiti to Emily. I think a human reviewer would like approve it, a good candidate for appeal.
Just to be pedantic, I would personally use the work’s name “Neon Forms” in the title, or “Neon Forms by Cerith Wyn Evans”. Include a link to the webpages that back it up in the supporting text. Expand the description a little, perhaps include the date and some background information on the work. That having been said I think it’s acceptable as-is, just some suggestions for polishing.
It may also help to take a photo when it’s lit, not during daylight hours. This could better show it as being a light and unique than just a bunch of randomness. Daylight photos are not required, just well lit and well composed ones.
Also, regardless if you appeal or resubmit, include the links you provided in the supporting info. Links are allowed in the supporting info, and this could have been helpful to show ML that this is an art piece (although there’s no way of knowing for sure).
Thank you for all the helpful feedback on this, much appreciated! I have a few more unique indoor urban artwork pieces I’d like to submit in the future and will apply these best practices!
I have created a new submission for this with the following info using the advice suggested. Hopefully this gets past the AI screening.
Is there anything here that you think should be adjusted to ensure it goes through successfully?
Name = “Neon Forms” sculpture by Cerith Wyn Evans
Description = “Neon Forms” by Cerith Wyn Evans (2015) is a suspended neon sculpture in Brookfield Place, inspired by the flowing gestures of Japanese Noh theater. It’s a highlight of the Artwalk at Brookfield Place that can be appreciated from multiple levels and vantage points throughout the public lobby.
Supplemental Info = This large neon light sculpture, approximately 10 feet tall, is part of the Brookfield Place Artwalk and located in the publicly accessible lobby at the 250 Vesey Street entrance of Brookfield Place. It is visible from the street, ground floor, and second-floor terrace, where visitors can view and enjoy it from nearby seating areas. The artwork is a permanent public installation by Brookfield Properties, verified on their official website: Neon Forms- NOH 1 and NOH 2 - Brookfield Properties
Is it visible on streetview? Saying it can be seen from outside is not the same as being seen on streetview.
For indoor nominations in particular I try to point out to reviewers how the location can be confirmed - the clues in the pictures which can be matched to what can be seen on satellite and streetview
It is somewhat obscured by the building numbers on street view picture. You can see it if you are carefully looking for it. It’s of course much more noticeable if you are walking by at night.
I have a few other large scale art installments that I am also going to submit which are in similar public lobby placements. They stand out to anyone walking by, but the street view pics are of varying quality, have reflections, buses in front of the building, etc.
Should I avoid writing it’s viewable from the street unless it is very prominent on Streetview?
Thanks! Is it OK to include multiple links in the Supporting Information section like this where I have both the artwork page and streetview link? I wanted to check particularly that including a specific map link isn’t an issue? I haven’t noticed that before on spots I’ve reviewed before.
SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION
This large neon light sculpture, approximately 10 feet tall, is part of the Brookfield Place Artwalk and located in the publicly accessible lobby at the 250 Vesey Street entrance of Brookfield Place. It is visible from the street, ground floor, and second-floor terrace, where visitors can view and enjoy it from nearby seating areas. The artwork is a permanent public installation by Brookfield Properties, verified on their official website: Neon Forms- NOH 1 and NOH 2 - Brookfield Properties Note: It is viewable on Streetview by zooming in through the window, behind the “250” Google Maps
There isn’t a limit to how many links you can provide. You can’t always count on reviewers to actually go to them, but often just having them there is enough. You arranged yours like I usually arrange mine, with the links for proof last in the statement. I think this is well laid out and easy to read.
yes uyou can add as many links as you need to in the supplementary text.
So describe how to see the structure on street view as Cyndie has said and add links. The reviewers cant stand at the window at night they only have streetview to help so it is more limited.
The only limit in the supporting information is number of characters. When something is hard to find, I describe exactly how to see it, either on streetview or where the photosphere is (when there are junk mislocated photospheres around).
