Wayspot Appeal - Street Library

Wayspot Appeals
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When submitting a Wayspot Appeal, make sure to include as much of the following information as possible:

  • Wayspot Title: Neptune - Hart Street Library

  • Location *(lat/lon)*: -33.791475, 151.052998

  • City: Dundas Valley

  • Country: Australia

  • Screenshot of the Rejection Email *(do not include your personal information)*:

  • Additional Information *(if any)*:

This Little Free Library is installed on the front hedge border line / garden of a single family private residential property. Refer https://www.realestate.com.au/property/2-hart-st-dundas-valley-nsw-2117/

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Get out of here bro, thats clearly public accessible

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If it was installed on the public verge (which it is not), I would totally agree with you.

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There is a gap between this little free library and the property boundary behind it, so to my eyes this doesn’t appear to break the SFPRP rule. We’ll see what the team has to say about it, though.

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public accessible is not the criteria. If it’s on SFPRP and public accessable, with even public and free intend, it’s ineligible due to SFPRP.

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It’s on the nature strip. It’s owned by the government in Australia. This is not private property.

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That would for Scopely to decide, if they consider this on or connected with the SFPRP, or enough disconnected.

You mentioned: “clearly public accessible”. That’s not a criteria in this case.

That’s one of the things nominator do wrong often: LFL are put in a hedge, or tied to a wall so it’s easy accessible from the street. Those cases are clearly public accessible, but ineligible.

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The verge on this side has no pavement, so people are not expected to walk there.

I would treat this space as SFPRP based on the visual indications, needing official evidence of it being public space to override that.

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Thanks for the appeal @HinduLoveGods , We stand by our decision to not retire the Wayspot.

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Just for reference, in NSW at least (pretty sure all states are similar too), you do not need a footpath for it to still be council/state land - we have a standard verge and public right of way at the front of our properties for pedestrians to use or for a path to be installed.

The easiest assessment of what it will be in a street is the letterbox or front fence line which shouldn’t/can’t be set in front of that imaginary line.

As for the pic, 50/50 for me, there is a distinct point between home/waypoint which maintains the privacy of the home, but also has the expectation of usage of the library.

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“Expectation of usage of the library” doesn’t create an exemption from the SFR or school property rules.

Libraries are not blanket eligible. If this one is in an allowable location, is the question.

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I didn’t say that it did, I did say that I believes the location it was placed allowed for the privacy of the home to be maintained (ie front wall and its height/trees) the placement whilst technically in front of the home was strategic enough that the residents expected it’s use, however they also wanted their privacy.

I think that is a distinction which is important for these items and their placement.

If it’s hanging on your fence or placed on top of a knee to hip high frontage, then you can’t really maintain your privacy, and the library is not set up for a lot of visitors or constant visitors.

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I hate to point out the obvious here, but what was the decision made?

Weighing that up on what the both of you have said and the bit of information you have posted and I am aware of, that item is in front of the property line, it is not attached to the outer face of the house, or the outer of the fence - which leave the last condition of whether it is upon the boundary? No it’s not, the boundary starts/ends at the street face of fence or letterbox. This object is in front of that.

I get the rule, I adhere to it, but I will look at a location holistically when I get one like that.

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You say you understand but your comment goes on into exactly the same territory again. The homeowner’s intent doesn’t matter for the purposes of Wayfarer; the single family (and school) rules are absolute, even if the property owner wishes otherwise. That was the point I’m making. The library doesn’t create an exception.

Whether or not it applies in the case of this particular library, depends on where it is relative to the property line.

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Thanks for your response